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document.write("who the #### is this Ebrahim Moolla, sounds to me that he was educated by the Marxism fools, the same ones that got such a good hiding in the African bush by the real South Africans back in the 70's and 80's. . ");
document.write("The iAfrica.com debate
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document.write("There seem to be two arguments and I find that I subscribe, in part, to both of them. On the one hand, Rebekah Kendal makes a valid point about morals being absolute, and one simply cannot argue with that. On the other hand, Ebrahim Moolla's comments about morals being inedible are quite true. However, no matter which way you look at this, you just can't ignore the fact that the timing of the government's refusal of a visa for the Dalai Lama, is poor. Worse than poor. China aside (if it can be put aside!), South Africa surely, needs to show the rest of the world, that peace is at, or pretty near to being at, the forefront of our own agenda. Recession, or no recession, we do not leave in a peaceful country, and that's just the plain truth. . Carolynne");
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document.write("Ebrahim do you think china gives a f@#% about you and your starving kids they just want to sell more t-shirts and chopsticks to any country that is still exploitable.
they aren't creating jobs but they do pay backhands to all the fat cats who are rapeing this country of its mineral resources so the machine that is china can keep going. when are we as africans going to relise that everything the world needs is in our hands and they should be bowing to us. we just swoped one group of colonisers for another. get your head out of the mud. . my china");
document.write("Africa for the Chi-Africans
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document.write("History is absolute, and will repeat itself. Africa's so-called leaders sided with Communist Russia, 'cause they enriched them. China realised it can rape & plunder Africa as long as the grease the palms of the \"more equal than others\". Africa's leaders care about themselves first, second and last. Don't speak about moral amongst the morally corrupt. The ANC has long gone lost any moral compass. blou krokodil");
document.write("The A N ti C hrist
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document.write("The evil cant afford holiness to penetrate it,. frikkie botes");
document.write("the iafrica.com debate
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document.write("This is south africa, the land of the free. The only reason why South africa is what it is today, is because we allways fought for our morals, we always fought for equality. That's what make us who we are. Yes chinese investments are of the outmost importancy to us, by that doesn't mean that we have to sell our soul with it.Its a human rights conference for #### sake. beto");
document.write("Dalai Lama
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document.write("Yes Mr Moolla you are right, one can not eat morals. But if you and your ilk had any and did not steel this country blind, actaully robbing the poorest of the poor (all the \"gate\" scandals and monies that can not be accounted for out of the \"land claims fund\" as examples) from inside your comfortable ofices, then the deserving people will be able to eat. Wake up! . Paul");
document.write("CHINA slow colonisers of AFRICA
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document.write("After the zim elections,China sent arms to Mugabe .Zim is already an entry point for them to take over the southern part of Africa,and now they are buying the SA government.This infiltration already started in the 1940`s Whereby the black people were used to overthrow the whites in southern Africa.SA was the last bastion,and it fell.Now that COPE might throw a spanner in the works,China is interfering again.. frikkie botes");
document.write("Dalai Llama
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document.write("Ebrahim may scorn the Dalai Lama's hereditary title but the fact is , he is perhaps the only person to act as an effective beacon and focus for Tibetan's desires for freedom and democracy, as with our own Desmond who filled a similar role during our dark days here and Nelson himself would very doubtfully have got where he is today without some of the \"hereditary\" priveleges he himself enjoyed and I am sure he admits this.
Any body else who dares resist the illegal Chinese occupation of their country is locked up or shot.
His Holiness and the people of Tibet desperately need our support.
\"Man does not live by bread alone\" to quote from the \"Injeel\" and the prophet Jesus, Ebrahim. And so invoking the images of starving families to defend what is a cynical, unfeeling and ill considered act of rejection of one who represents the same ideals as many members of the ANC laid down their lives for is hollow and short sighted.
In the long run the Chinese illegitamate regime's dictation of foreign policy to governments like ours will lead us in the same path as present day China's , that of a country bereft of the freedoms that we enjoy and fought so hard for. The freedoms of speech, the right to vote, equality before the law etc not to mention China's total disregard for environmental and safety issues, the figure of 10,000 miners a year dying in Chinese mines and huge rivers and entire landscapes poisoned by industrial pollution just to mention one or two examples.
A similar short sighted argument was used by the apartheid apologists against sanctions.
I think the decision to exclude this honourable man from our country has probably more to do with certain highly placed individuals contracts and deals which might suffer if we do not appease the Chinese Communist party dictatorship.It is these people who exist within our government and ruling party whose ideals are more about accumulation of personal wealth and power and who pay empty lip service to the principals of the ANC who have driven this decision.
. Patrick");
document.write("Dalai Lama
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document.write("Moral grounds? I need to see the reactions fro the people who walked away from the conference. will that lead to Junior Mandela and Madiba walking away in with revoltion? to say that is not our way. or they will keep quiet and cry in their hearts. I am disapointed with Madiba for not expresing not even one ward. and hope that Mandla will come out the same way that he did in the ralley and talk for his grand Dad. when one sport man/woman was excluded talk of baning the sport event was there. TV coverage was stopped. here all are hoping it will go away forgoten. . Daniel");
document.write("ANC Government has lost its MORAL COMPASS long ago.
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document.write("It is also clear that China is paying bribes in South Africa. A man or woman with morals would have told them not to involve us South Africans, who saw lots of blood flow for our human rights to make such decisions. But hey the ANC is no longer the ANC, they are new COMMUNIST ANC. They want to dictate to us what to do.. Louis");
document.write("Ebrahim Moosa doesn't have a leg to stand on
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document.write("If EM had taken a neutral position with regard to the DL, and a positive position with respect to ongoing relations with China (to help starving families), I would understand the reasoning. But to undermine the DL for no good reason, only serves to support the idea that this ANC government is morally bankrupt. . freddie");
document.write("Economic serfs
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document.write("Ebrahim, we don't need China.. they need us.In reality china is a competitor to us ever becoming a viable value added exporting nation. They are destroying middle and low income jobs across Africa and are reducing us to commodity exporting serfs on the lowest economic rung.
If we used the resources that China consumes to produce goods to export we could become a truly rich and powerful nation.
Why are the \"political elite\" squandering what Africa has given to us? Why are we handing our power over to China? Perhaps there is profit in it for the few? Ebrahim, before you spout the line that has been fed to you look at the reality and think beyond the here and now to what is possible. You decide are China really doing us favour or not?. Roman");
document.write("What a wasted opportunity!
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document.write("How can a conference aimed at using football to fight racism and xenophobia take the focus away from the Football World Cup? Surely they compliment each other nicely. The publicity alone drawing the world's eyes to South Africa should be a drawcard for our government. But no sadly our short sighted blinkered politicians refuse to see the Big Picture. And of course the government feels that kowtowing to China, a country with a shocking human rights record, will help keep the focus on the football world cup. This is going to blow up in SA's faces and cause far more of a furor than they ever thought. I for one am boycotting the Football World cup in solidarity with the Dalai Lama!. KW");
document.write("Has Ebrahim ever read a history book?
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document.write("Ebrahim, did someone pay you to write this ? I think that the only purpose of your amoral, near-sighted, ultra-capatlist blurb is to spark a reaction, since your 'argument' holds little water (the reasons are clear..read the responses below and above). Stop stirring the pot and be a responsible journalist please. We need constructive dialogue in this country, not mud-slinging cowboy journalism. Please read a history book before you tempt this country to repeat it's mistake of siding with money over morality. . Warwick ");
document.write("Dalai Llama
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document.write("Once again Ebrahim Moola can be counted on to totally miss the point again and use this 'debate' as an opportunity to spout racist rhetoric.
You mean to tell me you at iAfrica actually hired him and continue to pay his salary? Lol!
The point of the matter here is that RSA always makes noise and fuss when there are Human Rights violations in the world etc and then turn around and bar the Dalai Lama. It would've been ok(ish) for RSA to bar the Dalai Lama if RSA didn't always try to take the moral high ground in every global issue as if we even matter. Can somebody say Double Standards? (Well to be honest, I expect no less from our government.)
On top of this all is the fact that the Chinese are also granted BEE status. Only in Africa lol, only in Africa.... squeeb");
document.write("Dalai Lama and othe Moral Issues
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document.write("We are now truly off the rails------a slow journey to an eventual Zimbabwe type situation where the rich will become obese and shiny and the poorest of the poor will be of no consequence and will rot away.
There is only one way out----DO NOT VOTE ANC !!!!!!!!. Franco");
document.write("ANC laughable
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document.write("We seem to have the government we deserve! The majority voted for them & today we're stuck with empire builders, greedy pigs, gangsters, inept, pathetic, useless, money-laundering individuals who shouldn't even be called politicians - our so-called leaders feed right at the bottom of the pond and their daily attempts at running this wonderful country with the most beautiful poeple can only be laughed at, 'coz if you take their word / attempts, etc serious you are gonna stress yourself beyond therapy.
It is such common knowledge now that the Chinese were only given BEE status so our fatcat leaders could gain from it - did any of you watch the denials on TV? Blatantly tellling us that it was solely our govt's decision not to allow the DL a visa - liars!!! China already have all their guns to our leaders' heads and are dictating what we can and cannot do in our own country - same with Zim - China threatened SA not to get involved & our fatcat-leaders kowtowed to their instruction. I still say, viva-la-revolution!! As per Zim, the ANC, like ZANU PF, will commit any kind of fraud to ensure they win on 22 April & then we're in for an even more pathetic drive with China annexing everything in Africa, a Chinese president in our own country, triads running amok everywhere, children being forced into labour camps to make clothing for rich Americans, you name the disaster, SA will own it! Thanks ANC!! Your wheel will also eventually turn & you know what rhyms with turn..... Bono. Bono");
document.write("The Barmy Lama and his cause is nothing to do with SA.
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document.write("Our focus is on more important issues - like feeding and educating our kids.
The majority of South Africans are so poorly educated that they don't even know who he is. Ask your maid.
The white liberals again make an issue our of a non- issue. Maybe its time to reevaluate the minimum wage and let the less fortunate South Africans have a better life. Where is YOUR priority?. Martin F");
document.write("History
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document.write("Interesting debate, but Poolla Moolla needs to really understand history better and be less liberal with shaping facts to suit his view. Firstly is the Nats not white ANC ... I mean they did welcome them into the ANC fold AND gave them cabinet positions.
Then you look at the comments on how stupid our governments stance are in most international disputes. The rainbow nation was to be proud off, but the same old Nat principles of stupidity, feed the people #### and arrogance applies to the ANC. WE are no longer taking a step back, we are moving back into the dark ages. China is a corrupt and evil regime, that is threatening to put the world into another cold war, by trying to FORCE their views on everyone else. Then again .... that is the ANC way. The ANC without the morality of OT, Nelson and even the Thabo generations is fast morving into the monster they thaught, and on the back of idiots like Poolla Moolla, that obviously just do not get it. . Rob");
document.write("Flexible morals
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document.write("From what Mr Moola says, morals can only be subscribed to as and when the situation seems fit to do so. He goes so far as to say that one cannot eat morals when one is destitute. Does this mean he supports crime (i.e. theft, murder, rape, embezzlement, bribery, etc.) under the pretense that is acceptible as long as the person commiting such acts has done so out of desperation?
Sometimes in life we need to make decisions that we know will directly harm us, but are morally right. We cannot aford to sacrifice our moral standing, under the guise of personal gain. If we do so, the repercussions felt in the future may be far greater than the hardships we may have to endure in the present. That lesson should by now have already been learnt from our experience with Apartheid.. CS");
document.write("dalai lama
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document.write("Why nobody is interested in asking whom Dalai Lama brought with him when left Tibet 50 years ago? He was not only a religious leader in Tibet, he owned the land, the herd and the people, all Tibetan people were his slaves, no human rights for them back then, why nobody nowadays is interested in knowing this simple fact?
Dalai Lama left with all his noble monks and those big landlords, why only high ranks? Because it is those people who were in huge fear of losing their power and control over the wealth and slaves!! How can people nowadays worship Dalai Lama -- who, in the name of peace and human rights, is actually attempting to regain lost power for himself and those oppressors!
Please, South Africans, don't be fooled, don't so readily follow Americans and Europeans who have their own agenda for Tibet.. qiao");
document.write("Dalai Lama
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document.write("I am not suprised, but deeply dissapointed. When such a leader is barred from this country a signal is sent to the world. I hope the world cup is a success, but if I were living in another country I would think twice or three times to come to a country run by such shameful, greedy, and uneducated people.. Craig");
document.write("What Dalai?
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document.write("There are Billions worth of trade relations between China and RSA,why put that at risk by inviting an old person that left his country 50 years ago after enslaving people in his country?
Will Dalai repay and invest in RSA after China has pulled out?
Nothing will happen after Dalai has been here and spoken to Tutu and Tutu will tip-toe in public holding his robe like a kid,wtf? Who is more important Dalai and many working citezens in RSA?. michael");
document.write("Yes & No
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document.write("As stated, there are 2 issues at play here and bothe arguments hold merit. My gripe is ith the lies and Bullsh#t dealt out by the government. Why not just treat the SA population like adults and give the real reason for disallowing the visa? Why blame it on losing focus on the world cup? That was just plain stupid. I'm sure we would have realised the implications further down the line and looked back at the decision and say ok, maybe it was a good call. We need to admit that we are dependant on our foreign trade with China and while our actions may seem to favour them, it by no means implies that we condone the inhumanity displayed towards Tibet. It could have been sold as a decision which puts SA's interest first - and that would have been an easier pill to swallow.. Matthew");
document.write("It disgusts me...
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document.write("I read last night that only 2 countries have ever refused entry to the Dalai Lama. China is of course the one country and now South Africa has won the prestigious award for being the other country.. konstabel");
document.write("Morals are flexible, economic stablity is not
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document.write("I'm surprised by the number of people who are putting down EM! The majority of posts are from people who claim that we must do what is morally right, and that moral codes are somehow, absolute. This is a load of bull####! 'Good' morals are only valuable in an economically sound society. Stop fooling your middle class brains, and think about WHY there is so much crime in SA... people are poor, not evil. For the first time the ANC is actually picking economic ties over the fake glitz of 'peace conference'. Yes, the timing is bad, but the press isn't helping.
Everyone here needs to grow up and look at the bigger picture - if you were in charge and needed financial backing for FIFA 2010, what would you choose? . Bob");
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document.write("No doubt this fical government will invite Bob and the rest of their depraved and useless know it alls to sit in first class seats with them at the soccer. Well done SA again had a chance to made a moral stance and failed horribly.. Ashamed");
document.write("reply to Bob
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document.write("what bigger picture. let us look at a scenarion whicgh as a results 2010 soccer is going to be boycoted by certain nations who feels that South Africa have ;et their moral athics down. let us asy France, Holand,and maybe England. will you then say it was right? China isn't buying here in order to help, only because they need our minerals. don't fool yourself, they will dump you when they are done. then you can seat with your name sake mad Bob. and think of the old good days. only if we didn't ruin it. and to Moola, what you said is your opinion, but the way you wrote it. you are as racist as they come. in incite and ferment it. it is people like you which keep hate on the go. . Daniel");
document.write("CHINA
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document.write("A red flag (with a scattering of bright yellow stars) is now draped over much of Africa. In the great Chinese take away, this Asian giant is greedily absorbing as much from Africa as it can in the most sweeping resource grab the world has ever known. Oil from Sudan, Equatorial Guinea and Nigeria; timber from Mozambique, Ghana and Cameroon, minerals from Congo and South Africa. What makes it different from colonialism is that the Chinese are paying for all of this with huge reserves of American dollars. The Western ideal of a continent governed by democracies that have a foundation in respect for human rights, the rule of law and which embrace free markets is now being put to the test by disproportionate Chinese influence in Africa (which by their dithering the West have allowed to happen at alarming speed). It is no secret that the Chinese Government, themselves devoid of respect for human rights, aid and abet oppressive regimes and discredited African dictatorships. China rewards its African friends with financial and military support, and lavishes diplomatic attention upon them. Hence holding hands with Mugabe and Al Bashir. It is no surprise (given the increasing trade between SA and China) that the S African government will do what it is told when push comes to shove. For while they can afford to put two fingers up to the EU in response to calls for a harder line on Zim, they are never going to dim their prospects of further strengthening the country's balance of payments by upsetting the notoriously touchy Chinese. So what's new? Britain and other countries suck up to them just as much.. Mike Wood");
document.write("Bob Bob Bob...
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document.write("The reason we put EM down is because of his attitude... Yes he made a few valid points but it is very hard to sift through his rhetoric and the manner in which he put them across is akin to fighting talk. If he put them across nicely and substantiated his arguments a bit then I'm sure more people would be able to empathise with him and see where he's coming from. All I feel from him is racism and him blaming me (again) because I was born white. (So it's ok for EM to be racist because he’s not white!? EM, you have become that which you deplore.)
This whole thing is a matter of principle. It doesn't matter who it is that gets barred, I'd prefer Deepak Chopra btw... But you don't bar someone from a peace talk and then lie about your reasons for doing so and at the same time, if you are going to bar someone like that then think it out properly and consider the ramifications. SA these days has a habit of saying one thing then doing the opposite... Zim etc. – need I mention more? I think it's called vested interests, yes?
And that \"This is revolutionary ground.\" What the hell? What revolution? Surely you can't be referring to the one that happened 15 years ago!? Or are you referring to the upcoming one where we will have to try wrest this country out of the ANC's grasp who have become what they tried to kill in the first place!
Yes, China will bring millions and create many jobs... But have you considered that due to the Chinese qualifying for BEE it means THAT THEY WON'T HAVE TO HIRE BLACK PEOPLE FFS! In my opinion most of the poor people are only getting poorer due to the big BEE deals going to a select few and gross mismanagement of government funds... I'm pretty sure there is (or was) enough tax money in the government coffers to eradicate education, health, food and the other major problems without need for foreign investment... The people at the top are greedy and now the government has no money left to actually help anyone now and are in it for themselves.
. squeeb");
document.write("South Africa's new legislative capital - Beijing
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document.write("Israel has more right to the West Bank than China has to Tibet
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document.write("but let Israel pull the trigger of one rifle and the world gets itself in a tangle. China spends 50 years in a sovereign country and only El Salvadore has complained. FREE TIBET, BEIJING GO HOME. DDC");
document.write("china putting the food on the table
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document.write("Can't believe the absolutely stupid excuse that EM gives to support the govt's Mugabe-like (Remember \"zimbabwe is mine\")refusal to allow the DL into our South Africa. We must remember that it doesn't belong to the EM or ANC alone - it belongs to the south african people. I would like to know how EM thinks that China is putting food on the tables of the poor when it is precisely this China that caused the closing down of plenty of clothing and textile factories all over south africa, this resulted in thousands of not- so-rich south africans losing their jobs and the food on their tables!! shame on you!! they are our people. your opinion and argument is quite disgusting and an insult to all of those talented people who lost their livelihoods because of the cheap and nasty chinese imports. I say we boycott all chinese goods and buy only \"proudly south african\". daunne. daunne");
document.write("Go with the flow
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document.write("Instead of allowing the peace conference to quietly take place with the intended invited guests, it has created more negative attention towards our government and the chinese on taking the action they chose. The sad thing is that they would never have tried this tactic on either America or Europe. It is a pity that our government does not have the basic skills of negotiation and persuasion to encourage chinese investment at the same time informing them that our internal policies on whom we chose to invite to our country is none of their business. Maleshoane. ");
document.write("Ask yourself this
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document.write("Look hard at African countries that do big business with China.
Sudan:
2nd most unstable country in the world. Military dictatorship. Darfur. Genocide.
Nigeria:
Military dictatorship. Government corruption. Coups and counter-coups. Shocking human rights record.
Zimbabwe:
Mad Bob. Need I say more?
Democratic Republic of Congo:
African World War. Almost 6 million dead so far. Military coups. Civil wars. Genocide.
South Africa:
Corruption. What else do we have to look forward to?
What is the common feature in all of this?
It looks like China invests money into the extraction of resources of those countries, and in return gets concessions to extract fixed amounts of these resources for themselves. Most of the ordinary citizens of that country do not benefit from this investment in the slightest.
Instability and war in those countries only serve to push up the price of the resources being extracted. In other words it is good for business.. D");
document.write("Mr Moola's religious insults (& ignorance) aside...
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document.write("How quickly our politicians seem to have forgotten the example of moral leadership. Remember when Madiba stood up and publicly told the USA, \"Your enemies are not our enemies\" in asserting this country's right to engage with Gaddafi when the US was trying to bully everyone China style to have nothing to do with him? And what did that cost us? A big fat nothing. Any organisation's moral compass is both anchored & guided by its leaders - how sad the promise of 94 is being betrayed by the current crop of political cowards. Clearly, the ANC never held the moral high ground, Madiba did. Had the ANC per se held it, they would never have squandered it so fatuously (see our glowing stint at the UN vis a vis Myanmar et al). Clearly Madiba hasn't sacrificed his morals on the altar of convenience by withdrawing from the conference. Oh - and wasn't it China that only recently destroyed tens of thousands of jobs in our country's textile industry? And for this we must 'Ja baas'? What would China really do to our economy (apart from bark and growl a lot) if we granted the Dalai Lama a visa? They need our coal more than we need their t-shirts. Why? Because their recession is infinitely worse than ours - if Mr Moola has listened to Trevor Manuel's budget speech he would have heard how 20 million Chinese migrant workers were rendered jobless in one fell swoop over the Chinese new year... And actually, Mr Moola, morals do feed people - it is precisely a complete lack of morality that has led to the current global economic crisis which has deprived innocent millions of their savings, homes and jobs. Politics without morality is like screwing for virginity - just ask Comrade Bob: it might seem a smart idea to begin with but in the end it is bound to fail (as both Bob and our bunch of bootlickers are so ably demonstrating).. Joshua");
document.write("What a great game of Chest, China in control..
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document.write("Shame for how long are we going to be so \"dom, leer net nie\"...
China supply lots guns to Zim, Sudan, ect. What happen??? Strategy, \"let them kill each other\"
Result, \"lets take control of their country & resources\"
Where will China get all the natural resources to sustain and feed more than 1 billion people \"Africa\" and for that, You need a great strategy...
Die europeens en amerikaners is te slim.
En nou kom Moola met sy moola gedagte en vertel ons die regte besluit vir besigheid, miskien maar dis short term.
Moral = Long term.... Mo");
document.write("shame Mr President
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document.write("I feel ashamed to be a south african following the goverments treatment of the leader of Tibet. Why is our foreign policy be determined by the chinese. Shame on your Mr. President. The South African voter deserves better!. james");
document.write("Dalai Lama
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document.write("I have been completely dismay by this whole debacle. The Dalai Lama is seen by the world at large as a man of peace. He is revered by not only Buddhists but by people of all faiths as is the Pope. Would we ban the Pope from South Africa? I think not.. Lindsey Kann");
document.write("Moolla you too have no integrity
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document.write("Moolla's comments are unbelievably callous and naive. Perhaps you cannot eat morals, but you sure as hell cannot buy integrity. It is your personal values on show and believe me Moolla's are obviously really shallow. South Africans who have integrity include Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Trevor Manuel, and Barbara Hogan. Can you not recall Nelson Mandela standing up the the USA when Yassar Arafat and Ghadaffi visited here. That's integrity for you! The Chinese are bullying us and we are allowing it. If we stand up and tell them to get lost they will back off. They are too good at business to jeapardise their trade with us. The Dalai Lama is a man of peace and perhaps you should now that there has never been a war fought in the name of Bhudda which is a lot more than you can say about other major global religions. . Maharg");
document.write("how much do you know about Tibet
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document.write("Stop demonising China and Chinese government!!
To all those who have been talking \"how corrupted, evil China is and how China is colonising Africa\", where did you get these ideas and how can you make such judgements if you have never been to China and have never learned Chinese history? All you have known about China and the relation between China and Tibet is from media and unfortunately SA media only follow what Americans and Europeans said on the matter of China.
Ten years ago when I was still in China I read a book written by a Swedish man about his five years experience in a rural Tibetan village where he as a volunteer taught English and Music in a primary school. He recorded his life with these humble people and with every progress he made to improve his Tibetan, he got to know people there better and eventually he showed a Tibet different from the stereotype he got in Europe. His book focused on conflicts and struggles his village people had in the progress of modernisation, but contrast to what Europeans usually believed, people in the village were not oppressed, they did have freedom to practice their religious belief and they had their own land to farm or herd which their great grandfathers never had.
I have been wondering how come such a book have never gone popular in Europe, I think it is fair enough to say the only reason is what he saw ,heard and felt did not appeal to the mainstream European ideology which is biased.. qiao");
document.write("Dalai Lama?
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document.write("Should we really be surprised that the current South African Government won't give the Dalai Lama a Visa to visit our country? I mean, why would an immoral, valueless, corrupt, fraudulent, power hungry, perverse, wicked and reverse-racist government ever want to grant a VIsa to a man who stands for truth, true morals, true values, peace and true reconciliation in the world, no matter what religion you are? The very fact that they are trying to give future senior governmental positions to common power hungry and corrupt criminals should be evidence enough that morals, equality, truth and values are very low down, if present at all, on their agenda. May God forgive them for what they have done, for what they are doing and for what they are about to do.
I can only wonder to myself whether the South Africa we have become, is the actual South Africa that the likes of great men like Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu struggled and fought for all those many years.
The rest of the world has been cleverly deceived. They look at this country and think it stands as a shining example of equality, democracy and reconciliation. NOthing, in fact and in reality, could be further from the truth. It is a sad day for SA.
God Help us!
DB.. Dean Bailey");
document.write("South Africans are lead by the media so easily.
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document.write("Nice story from qiao. That just illustrates that things are not as simple as the media would have us believe.
What I don't understand is just how many people seem INCAPABLE of even seeing EM's point of view. Or at least they do see it vaguely, but are put off by his retoric or in some ugly cases, his colour. I know that the ANC is not great, but if, at this moment YOU were put in charge, would YOU really choose the Dalai Lama over preparations for FIFA 2010? No one wants to consider answering that.
On another note, why do people always trigger so easily on articles concerning ANC is destroying the country/Luke Watson /Zuma...etc? I understand that these are hot topics but every time a bunch of dumb hate speech is attached - these people need to get a life or at least TRY to interpret the story in a deeper way (i.e. yes the media is trying to manipulate you/what is the real story/who is winning by me feeling this way about the article).
Food for thought, sorry for the long entry.. bob smith");
document.write("Ebrahim's colour or lack of it
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document.write("there have been a lot of comments with racial overtones. the truth that you are all missing is that ebrahim is defending china likes he getting paid to. he is very transparent. forget tibet the comment was \"Chinese investment billions will develop infrastructure and create job opportunities, the red nourishing African soil in our most pressing hour of need\". ja and when there is no more gold, iron, copper, diamonds, oil etc do you think we can all take a slow boat to china? me no think so. my china");
document.write("Moolla
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document.write("Moolla's arguements are pathetic! Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama were awarded the Nobel peace prize by the same committee. Is this committee stupid? As for sacrificing trade with China, this isn't even an issue. China will trade with anyone. Does he think they'll stop trading with the USA because they disagree on a moral issue. As for his statement that \"you can't eat morals\", well Nelson Mandela certainly gave it a go.... he ate prison food for 28 years on Robben Island for his moral stand!
One other comment to Moolla is that Mugabe didn't implement any land reform; he issued a starvation decree!!. hawkeye");
document.write("well said Hawkeye
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document.write("I will keep my comment short: to all you South Africans with any moral value and brain in your possesion, if there is ONE thing you do on 22 April this year, PLEASE make it that you vote for an opposition party. Screw the ANC!!!. down but not out YET");
document.write("ZUMABWE
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document.write("Bereft of decency is all that springs to mind by this, the latest boo-boo of the South African government, for which the State - of which we are all a part - will pay dearly. Capital - liberal in expression, reactionary in method - will not follow these justifications (with hoots of China) as these shortsighted financiers will have us believe. Mr. Manuel should know better. Economics is automatic!
. ......... MisterPlod");
document.write("Dalai Lama
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document.write("The Chinese have shown that they will trade with any country (to their own benefit) regardless of that country's politics or human rights record. A people who fought for their own independence should support others who are struggling for theirs. Therefore the Dalai Lama should be welcomed to South Africa.
Corrupt South African politicians have done their fair share of impoverishing our people, Mr Moolla, never mind the recession! Justin. Justin");
document.write("WTF TWO !!
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document.write("RSA- the Republic of Substance Abusers, the Pariah state from hell - white, black confused. All Same/Same
It is the ##### of Africa - it will take anything, anyone, any handout, any orifice. More is better. The double handed salute - palms-up.
The World's biggest ##### is China. What a pair. Not a moral fibre between the pair. Both have horrendous human-rights records. Here's the bitch - payback mofo. Ya gonna pay more, a lot more.
Ya already paying thru the nose with HIV/AIDS MURDER ROAD DEATHS THEFT CORRUPTION ALCOHOL/DRUG ABUSE NEPOTISM CARTELS BEE AA ....
This new world order is gonna leave SA even further behind the curve - simply part of its brother Zim. So why does it shock anyone that the man more popular than the Pope is denied a visa?! Had they simply let it slide, nobody would have noticed or cared, but the chinks already knew this and checked SA's Queen.
Later they could have blamed it on corruption/stupidity/colonialism/yadda & the world would have moved on. Now its stuck in the Merde, and looks to be the bad guy, joined at the hip with #1 Bad Boy China.
All the wonks in DC & London are nodding - \"Told ya so!\"
The chinks will suck up to anyone/anything/anytime - its just the way they are, like a dog, they gotta #### on everything.
Likewise Africa. There is always an ulterior motive - but get real here - they are scared shootless of Africans, PERIOD.
OZ just blew the chinks out of the water on that $2.6B OZ Mining deal for security reasons - smart, with due diligence
China could probably buy Anglo & De Beers for peanuts, but its too far away, worthless & might get nationalized tomorrow. Start praying & keep your powder dry. Jack");
document.write("Moolla is a joke
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document.write("Moolla, I'd love to take you on in debate, you fool. You're a pig-ignorant dimwit who sounds like he's been personally educated by Julius Malema. Christ, but I hope iAfrica don't pay you more than R50 a month. . Michael M");
document.write("Insulting
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document.write("To Michael M and the rest. Do you honestly think by hurling personal insults that you sound intelligent? Quite the opposite in fact. So if you don't agree with a point improve your argument and substantite it. You coma across as angry, bitter and ill educated.. Carolyn");
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