State witness Glenn Agliotti knows "all the gangsters" he tells then acting crime intelligence head Mulangi Mphego in a recording viewed in the High Court in Johannesburg on Tuesday.

"I know all the gangsters, you know good people and you know bad people," he is heard saying in the recording dating from August 2003 shown in court during the corruption case of former police head Jackie Selebi.

This is the second recording to be viewed by the court during the trial.

In the recording, Mphego summons the convicted drug trafficker to his office to query a payment of about $1-million allegedly made by Brett Kebble and his father Roger as a "consultancy fee" for access to Selebi.

Mphego tells him: "We listen to everything... and we see everything."

He says he has heard information about a payment for "natcom" or the national commissioner.

"I can't make heads or tails, why would this name of natcom [national commissioner] be dropped on the footage?" Mphego asks.

However, Agliotti vehemently denies to Mphego that the money from the Kebbles was for Selebi.

"...It's for me. It's got nothing to with 'natcom' and I would not lie to you... I'm dead serious."

Instead he says he used Selebi's name to get the money ? but the money was used for various business in Zimbabwe including mining operations and timber and tobacco trading.

"I used Jackie's name and I shouldn't have at the beginning... And I said Jackie won't take a cent and we all know that..."

Agliotti then says he told Kebble and his associates that Selebi had no involvement and they were "quite happy" with this.

In the recording, interrupted at times by ringing cellphones and an offer for tea and coffee, Agliotti also talks about various other dealings including being asked to meet with convicted fraudster Shabir Shaik ? which he said he did not want to do because, "I don?t like the man".

He then proceeds to detail his interaction with former director of public prosecutions Bulelani Ngcuka.

He says he has allegedly heard, "Bulelani is going to leave the Scorpions, he is going to go into private business with a mining group... and the thing is he can use his wife to get rights... you know how people can bulls**t in business."

At times once the topic has moved on from Selebi, Mphego seems less eager to listen than Agliotti is to talk.

At one point he says: "Well, whatever, At least I've got a picture", and interjects on occasion with, "but anyway".

Mphego does become interested when Agliotti says he will inform him of a "f**king huge" drug shipment coming into the country.

"I want that," said Mphego.

"I'm going to give that to you," says Agliotti.

Later, Agliotti was to make a plea bargain with the State after his conviction in a 2006 drug bust involving hashish with an estimated street value of R200-million.

Part of the deal is that in the Selebi case, he will receive indemnity from prosecution on various charges if he testifies "frankly and honestly".

Earlier, the apparent existence of another secret tape showing Agliotti talking to National Intelligence Agency (NIA) representatives caused waves.

The existence of the second recording emerged in a City Press article published on Sunday, but the defence and State said they were ignorant of it.

The new secret recording apparently shows a meeting at a Sandton hotel between Agliotti and the NIA recorded on January 4. In it, Agliotti hands over an affidavit complaining that the Scorpions' investigation into Selebi was a political conspiracy.

Agliotti told defence lawyer Jaap Cilliers on Tuesday he had no knowledge of the recording.

"I have no recollection of that."

Cilliers said he was willing to try to track down the recording.

Judge Meyer Joffe said his main concern was what kind of influence the person who leaked the alleged recording to the media was trying to exert.

"Somebody is trying to influence the proceedings of the trial and that is of more concern than anything else."

Last week another video was shown as provisional evidence. The first recording was of a discussion between Agliotti, NIA officials and Mphego, on January 7.

The City Press article reported that the secret recordings shows Agliotti requested the January 7 meeting to add more information to the statement.

Cilliers alleges this could show Agliotti "lied" because previously the witness had alluded to being asked to meet on January 7, rather than requesting the meeting himself.

Selebi faces two counts of corruption and the ends of justice related to payments of at least R1.2-million he allegedly received from Agliotti, former Hyundai boss Billy Rautenbach and slain mining magnate Brett Kebble.